The new Russian tank destroyer line in patch 8.0 was a great promise. The initial two new vehicles in Tier VII and VIII were not only fast and relatively well armored but they had great guns as well. The Su-100M and Su-101 had their inherent flaws, but the top weaponry still made them viable and interesting enough, candidates for keeping. Then Wargaming happened. All hail the next poor junk with the future 45 percent global win rate in World of Tanks!
Final update: E-50M armor scheme in the gallery
8.0 glacis armor wireframes arrived for the T110E5 and IS-7!
Hey, this is a good, perfectly grind-able new line!
That was my first impression, famous last words. Our joy was premature, WG took away the heavy tank guns in the second version, so we have to make them work with the equivalent medium tank weapons from Tier IX. The Su-100M has to do with the TD-version of the 100 mm LB-1 gun from the T-44, the Su-101 has access to the top gun of the T-54 medium tank. The new TDs start from the Su-100, to unlock the Su-100M you will need 48 200 xp.
The Su-101 or Uralmash-1 had been finished after the war. The chassis was from the T-44. It wasn’t produced because the T-54 was available with the same gun in a fully rotating turret. The Su-102 was armed with the 122 mm D-25 gun.
The company probably did not realize why this was a major blow for a tank destroyer with rear-mounted superstructure and with such limited gun-movement. The new Tier VII and VIII tank destroyers are gutted, because at short, 20-30 meters range they cannot aim at the weaker lower front plates of heavy tanks anymore, and most heavies can bounce a gun with only 175 and 219 avg in their respective Tiers. That’s right, the Russian Tier VIII TD has less penetration and alpha damage than the IS-3, and it hasn’t got a turret and/or notable gun depression as saving grace.
A well-armored Tier VIII heavy can just drive into our face and finish us off, because we can only shoot at the upper hull or the turret.
And if this does not make the initial two TDs broken, the flaw-list of theirs surely will, because in the case of the Su-101 it’s as long as a Christmas wish-list of a nine-year old child.
I’m going to send this to wargaming! They need to read this.
I think we shouldn’t cry about things like that. There are much harder lines. I think we must live with what we have.
This is perhaps the price one has to pay for acquiring the OBJ 263, which is as OP as these are underpowered.
It could be that WG wants to make the most from the new TD line, and really want those who want the OP OBJ263 to pay for it by using huge amounts of Free XP in order to skip Su100M and Su101.
I was late to the Russian TD line, and found Su100 to be superb. Its great fun specially with the new MM. Its surely a bit OP for Tier 6 matches (two shotting almost everything) but very effective against Tier7s and Tier 8s. Su100M is a POS compared to the Su100 (for its tier) and specially compared to the Su152 (same tier).
you’re completely right with WG’s take on new TD line(s) but SU-100 isn’t OP, it really isn’t very effective against T8, especially when that T8 driver knows what he’s doing (i can bounce 175mm pen with my PII most of times). look at T8 TD of all nations – they can hurt frontally every tank two tiers up – SU-100 cant do that.
Object 263 is evil. It bounced a gold round from the Maus’ gun…..on a friggin’ view port in the front superstructure. It wasn’t perfectly on level with Maus either. It was above me on sloped side of a ridge.
and I should add it was at point blank range so I could aim specifically for what I thought was an universal weak spot for tanks….
No-no. In the case ofthe 263 those viewports are just cosmetics.
You are forgetting that the introduction of the Object 263 has now the best frontal armor in the game… 250 mm at a 60 degree angle makes 435… the E-100 cannot match that for 200 at a 50 degree is only 380 mm. YES I CALCULATED MYSELF… I USED A PROTRACTOR AND DID THE MATH MYSELF… Flippy617 out
This is getting old now. Keep all the mid-tier tanks underpowered and the top-tier tanks overpowered on release, to motivate people to spend gold. Then, gradually buff the mid-tier tanks and nerf the top-tier tanks to move the game back into balance.
I’m just waiting for them to buff it now. Maybe I’ll get it in half a year, when it finally doesn’t suck.
we still have the penetration problem (for sentences like this thinks Google that we are a porn site)
WOT Armory: What the hell?! they’re comestic!? So much….rage. Please do an armory test on the 263. I need to know where I can hurt them on front.
A previous version (pic only) is uploaded in the gallery. Although the lower hull is modified from 200 to 150mm nominal thickness for the live version.
to recap something here that was way before wotarmory’s times.
E75 always was stated to have much stronger lower plate than E100.
- 130mm at 60 = 211mm compared to 150mm at 50 = 202mm which made a lot of senses.
If it is tested here that E75 has 120mm at 60 = 195mm which is less than E100 then E75 MUST HAD BEEN STEALTH NERFED by WG. I remembered way back when E series tank just went live, it was very much stated that E75 has 130mm LFP.
I played these tanks way back then and I know what they were. I am 100% sure about this.
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The reason why no one noticed this is because of the new released tanks after that with higher penetrating guns
same thing was done to PzIV in one of the 0.7.x patches: traverse turning bug – it wasn’t a bug (bug that can be fixed in 1 day and is live for months isn’t a bug), it was a test stealth nerf for WG to see if nerfing mobility will decrease PzIV global win rate (thats why they didn’t want to fix it fast). as we know now it didn’t and WG got “brilliant” idea to make money – one of the most loved tanks in WoT becomes premium and normal version is nerfed so much it becomes completely different tank.
It is a good thing they nerfed Su-101. In the first Testserver it made the Jagdpanther II completely obsolete. The only the JP-2 had better than the Su-101 were a ridiculous 50 points of damage. Absolutely EVERYTHING ELSE on the Su-101 was better.
True, but they should have taken a middle-of-the-road option like BL-9S (which would be very useful if you go down both USSR TD lines, if you unlock it through Uralmash-1 you have a grinder gun before the BL-10, if you unlock it through ISU-152 you have the top gun of the other unlocked). I also figured that the SU-100M1 would obsolete T25AT (better armour, speed, gun) but at that time I did not know about the ridiculously crappy gun arc and gun depression.
There was a guy in NA forum who tested the E75 again. He used 220 pen gun to test the LFP, 3/10 penned the LFP…so the E75 gets the 130mm LFP back i guess
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/164016-german-heavies-and-normalization/
So wotarmory, please test the E75 again to confirm this
erm… Blog closed on the first? Why?